Rapture on the feast of Trumpets 10 days before 2nd advent.

by Glen
(Perth - Australia)

Appendix 6 asks "When is the Rapture?" My Bible tells me it`s on the feast of Trumpets, just 10 days BEFORE the second Advent on Yom Kippur.

The usual end-time outlines are either pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib or pre-wrath, along with their various variations. A modern-day student of the Bible is told this is your only reasonable menu to choose from. But they ALL have their underlying problems which the other views relentlessly exploit, and so the merry-go-round continues on and on with no real resolution.

The main reason for this is at least 4-fold: 1) the favored outline is superimposed upon the scriptures; 2) they don`t interpret literately or consistently at all times; 3) they throw out the law given to Moses and along with that goes the Lord’s feast days; and 4) if interpreters do accept the prophetic significance of the Fall feasts, they don`t follow the established pattern set out in the already fulfilled Spring feasts.

The right handling of the Lord's feast days as outlined in Lev 23 is the missing link in eschatology. Thus, without the missing pieces or a right handling of them you will NEVER arrive at a truely Biblical raptureology or eschatology. If you don`t have ALL the parts of the jigsaw, you may have a resemblance but never the whole picture.

Therefore, following the divinely inspired chronological and rapidly fulfilled pattern of the 4 historical Spring feasts, the prophetic significance of the 3 Fall feasts would be: 1st, the feast of Trumpets = the Rapture on the 1st of Tishri; 2nd, 10 days later on the 10th of Tishri is Yom Kippur = the 2nd Advent of Messiah when He returns physically to earth on the day of Atonement to wage war at Armageddon and gather His elect for the 3rd feast, which is the feast of Tabernacles, referred to as the Wedding Supper of the Lamb to which Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are invited (Mt 8:11). This is also in the month of Tishri from the 15th to the 22nd. To these 3 can be added a 4th feast, the feast of Hanukkah (cf. Dan 12:12), 75 days after the 2nd Advent on the Day of Atonement, and commemorates the dedication of the millennial temple and the return of the Shekinah glory. That is the divinely inspired timeline. I call it the late-trib feast of Trumpets Rapture.

So, just as the 4 Spring feasts are fulfilled in quick succession, so are the "4" Fall feasts fulfilled just as literally and accurately as the Spring feasts without dividing any of them up. Satan wants to change the appointed times (Dan 7:25) and, to our loss, so do many theologians.

I would like to add that the last Trump of 1 Cor 15:52 is not the same as the 7th Trumpet of Rev 11, but they may be fulfilled on the same day. The last Trump is on the feast of Trumpets for the Rapture, however the 7th Trumpet contains the seven Bowl judgments during the ten days up to the Second Advent and probably is on the same day as the feast of Trumpets. This is because the Messianic kingdom starts just before the sounding of the 7th Trumpet (Rev 10:7), and when the 7th Trumpet has sounded it says, "You have begun to reign" (Rev 11:15-17). This is the coronation of the King, the beginning of the Day of the Lord and one of his first acts is to Rapture his Bride (1Thes 4:13-18; 2Thes 2:1-3) and judges her (Rev 11:18). His bride the Church stays in the Father's house (Jn 14:2-3) for 10 days or as Isa 26:19-21 says "for a little while" after the rapture (v19) and before the 2nd Advent (v21).

The Rapture is on the feast of Trumpets (the beginning of the millennium and the Day of the Lord) - 10 days before the 2nd Advent on Yom Kippur, the day of Atonement, with the 7 Bowls being poured out on earth during those 10 days. Meanwhile, the redeemed are in the heavenly Jerusalem awaiting a return to earth with the victorious Messiah and then to celebrate with all God's people at the feast of Tabernacles and later at Hanukkah.

Shalom, Glen

Reply from Watchman Bob:

Glen, I am happy to approve your commentary. Unlike most comments and commentaries submitted, yours reflects considerable study unclouded by popular but misguided interpretations and a clear understanding of the significance of the Feasts of the Lord in Bible prophecy. And, with a few minor exceptions as follows, I tend to agree with your end-times timeline.

Scripture does not, as you state, refer to the Last Trump being different from the 7th Trump of Revelation. It's splitting hairs unnecessarily to say they are two separate trumps.

Also, notice that the six bowls of wrath, which follow the 7th trump and the announcement that the reign of the King of Kings has begun, and which occur during the Days of Awe (if your timeline is correct), are called "the final plagues of the wrath of God" (Rev 15:1). In other words, the Great Tribulation (which is caused by the wrath of Satan, not God) ends, the Rapture occurs and the "final plagues" of the wrath of God are poured out ... all when the 7th Trump sounds.

And another point on which I differ is that the Feast of Tabernacles and the Wedding Feast of the Lamb are the same. Notice that the Wedding Feast of the Lamb occurs in Heaven, not on earth (Rev 19:7-9). Then, the King of Kings returns with His Bride (the "Church") (cf. Rev 19:14) on Yom Kippur to destroy His enemies, separate the sheep from the goats, and establish His millennial kingdom on earth. The Feast of Tabernacles is a celebration of the coming Messianic kingdom, not the wedding feast of the Lamb.

Finally, during the Millennium, the glorified Saints will reign with the Messiah over the tribes of Israel and the other nations on earth (cf. the commentary on Rev 20).

In summary, the view from Heaven is different from our view from Earth. From our earthly point of view, end-times events are seen as separate events, but from Heaven, they are seen as murals or groups of events. And the sounding of the Last/7th Trump, the Rapture, the marriage supper of the Lamb, the pouring out of the bowls of wrath, the second advent, Armageddon, the sheep and goats judgment and the establishment of the Messianic kingdom are all seen as one group of events summed up by the term "the mystery of God" (Rev 10:7).



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Aug 01, 2017
 common sense
by: Anonymous

Hi Bob,

You said "So, the sequence of "end-of-the-age" (Mat 24:3) events is really quite clear when we compare Scripture with Scripture in a common sense way."

Tell me where in scriptures does it clearly state that the dead will be judged? Isn't it at the white throne judgment?

Answer from Watchman Bob: Yes. Revelation 20:11-15

Where in scriptures does it clearly state when the saints and the prophets will be rewarded? When will they receive their crowns? Aren't they only given authority to judge and tasked to be the royal priesthood/intercessors at the beginning of the millennial kingdom? Can you say that this is already their reward?

Isn't it that the word "kings" are mentioned only in Rev. 21, in the New Heaven and New Earth? Kings wear crowns, right?

Judgment Seat of Christ as envisioned by Paul = White Throne Judgment as envisioned by John = Sheep and Goat Judgment as truth revealed by Jesus. Are these all one or combined, or the same final judgment? Is this when the Mystery of God will finally be completed as mentioned in the 7th Trumpet Judgment? Is Christ the Mystery of God?

Reply from Watchman Bob: "Anonymous," you seem confused about the sequence of end-times events. And that is understandable because virtually all Bible prophecy expositors teach that the events of Revelation 21 and 22 follow the events of Revelation 20. But that is incorrect. A close examination of the text in the light of other Scriptures, especially Isaiah 65, reveals that Revelation 21 and 22 are parenthetical - just give more details about what happens during the Millennium as described in Revelation 20.

Isaiah 65:17-19 speaks of the "new heavens and new earth" and creating "Jerusalem" in which "the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying," all in the context of the Millennium. Also, when we look at Revelation 2:27 together with Revelation 20:4, we see that the redeemed, glorified saints will sit on thrones (in New Jerusalem) during the Millennium, where we will not only judge the nations but will "reign" with him with a rod of iron for a thousand years.

For more details about New Jerusalem being on Earth during the Millennium, please read my commentary on Revelation 21.

Also, you are confusing the judgment seat of the Messiah ("Christ") (2 Corinthians 5:10), which will occur at the "resurrection of the righteous" (the "first resurrection") (Luke 14:14; Revelation 20:6), with the "Great White Throne Judgment," which will occur after the resurrection of the unrighteous (the "second resurrection") at the end of the Millennium (Revelation 20:6; 12-13). The purpose of the judgment of the Messiah, to which Paul looked forward (2 Timothy 4:8) will be to give out rewards for good deeds done here on Earth or to withhold rewards for good deeds not done (1 Corinthians 13:13-15), but not to punish believers or to condemn them to hell or eternal separation from Yahuah ("God") (John 5:24). But the purpose of the judgment of Yahuah at the end of the Millennium is to consign unbelievers, whose names are not written in the Book of Life, to the lake of fire or eternal death (Revelation 20:15).

I pray this helps.
May 28, 2016
 Trumpets Judgement Happens at the End of the Millennium
by: eaglet

Hi Bob,

These are the scriptures that support my view that the Seven Trumpet Judgments happen at the end of the Millennium:

Rev. 9:1-3
The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the ABYSS (Bottomless Pit/Prison). 2 When he opened the ABYSS, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the ABYSS. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth.

Rev. 20:1-3
20 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the ABYSS (Bottomless Pit/Prison) and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or SATAN (Angel), and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the ABYSS, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

Rev, 20:7-9
7 When the thousand years are over, SATAN (Angel/Abaddon/Apollyon)) will be released from his PRISON (Abyss/Bottomless Pit)) 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—GOG (Abaddon/Apollyon/Satan) and MAGOG (200 Million Army)—and to gather them for battle. IN NUMBER THEY ARE LIKE THE SAND ON THE SEASHORE 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

Rev. 9:11
11 They had as king (8th King) over them the ANGEL (Satan) of the ABYSS, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer)(Gog).

Rev. 9:13=16
13 The sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice coming from the four horns of the golden altar that is before God. 14 It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, "Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates." 15 And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind. 16 The NUMBER of the mounted troops was twice ten thousand times ten thousand (MAGOG/IN NUMBER THEY ARE LIKE THE SAND ON THE SEASHORE). I heard their NUMBER.

Reply from Watchman Bob:

How do you know that the angel from the Abyss/Abaddon/Apollyon is Satan?
May 28, 2016
 Trumpets Judgement Happens at the End of the Millennium
by: eaglet

Hi Bob,

These are the scriptures that supports my claim that The Vials Judgment happened at the 6th Seal:

Rev. 16:19-21
19 The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath. 20 EVERY ISLAND FLED AWAY AND THE MOUNTAINS COULD NOT BE FOUND. 21 From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds,[a] fell on people. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible.

Rev. 6:12-14
12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14 The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and EVERY MOUNTAIN AND ISLAND WAS REMOVED FROM ITS PLACE.

Reply from Watchman Bob:

Just because two series of events have a similar event in common does not make them the same series of events, does it?
Feb 23, 2016
 Zech. 12-14
by: Jeff

The chronology that you have put forward is what I myself hold to. I want to add something that wasn't discussed, though perhaps you're already aware of this.

If we consider the practice of traditional Judaism from "Rosh HaShanah" until Yom Kippur (the Ten Days of Repentance) in the context of this chronology and in light of Zech. 12:10-13:1 and ch. 14, we see that the behavior of practicing Jews during this time period very closely prefigures what will occur when all these things are fulfilled. That is, when Yeshua gathers His bride, then the tribes will mourn (Zech. 12:10-14). A fountain will be opened to cleanse them (Zech 13:1). Now, part of the Ten Days of Repentance is something called Tashlikh, where Jews go to a body of water, with the idea that their sins are cast into the sea (Micah 7:19). Surely this sounds exactly like Zech. 13:1. And at the end of the ten days, we of course arrive at the events of Zechariah chapter 14.

Reply from Watchman Bob:

Good insight from Scripture, Jeff.

I believe that the sequence of the Fall Feasts indicates that the Messiah will return to gather His Bride (the "Church") on Yom Teruah, at which time the tribes of Israel will mourn and repent because He is the One they "pierced." Then, on Yom Kippur, He will return with the redeemed and glorified Saints to destroy His enemies on Earth, including those of Israel who have not repented and acknowledged that He is the Messiah, and bring those who are truly His into His Messianic kingdom.
Jan 07, 2016
 Possible Chronology
by: Anonymous

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Thess 4

And the LORD shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord GOD shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.

And the LORD their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land.
Zech 9

NOTICE I Thess calls the last trump, the trump of God. Zechariah tells us that it is God who blows the trumpet, not angels. The last trump is blown at the Second Coming when God's saves the flock of His people out of great tribulation.

The Seals are an overview. The first four are the beginning of birth pains, the fifth, the great tribulation, and the sixth the Day of the Lord. Earth dwellers ask, "Who can stand?"

In an interlude, John shows us the 144,000 sealed, and then the great multitude STANDING before the Lamb.

The trumpets are the tribulation period, the three woes the great tribulation. God's mercy is mixed with wrath, pouring judgments out on only 1/3 on the earth, and those who have the mark and are past repentance.

When all those who will be saved have repented, God resurrects and raptures His people, as the angels pour out the bowls of fulness of wrath on Babylon the great and the beast's kingdom. The armies of earth who gather to fight against Him who sits on the white horse are destroyed as He returns with his people, and as the Wedding Feast is celebrated, the birds of prey are having their own feast...on the dead who died at Armageddon.

...or something close to that.

Reply from Watchman Bob:

Seems like a reasonable, common sense interpretation of the end-of-the-age sequence of events. The main thing to be aware of is that, regardless of the exact sequence and timing of those events, The End is coming very soon, and that fact should be plenty of motivation to be diligent to be making our calling and election sure (2 Peter 1:10) and encouraging everyone who will listen to us to do the same.
Oct 07, 2015
 Trumpets happens at the end of the Millennium
by: eaglet

Hi Bob,

Try studying this:

1. Rev. 2 to 11 and Rev. 12 to 21 are viewed as the same prophetic end time story seen in two different angles.
2. Seventh Vial happens at Sixth Seal. The key words are every island and mountains fled away or removed from its place.
3. The seven seals covers the entire prophetic timeline from the time the Lamb was slain, to Ascension, Pentecost, Church Age, Great Tribulation, Armageddon/Second Advent (Ez.39), up to the end of the Millennium.
4. Seal 5 is from Stephen to the last great tribulation saints that will be martyred.
6. The half hour silence is the millennium. Understand what an hour is to John. Check 1John 2:18, Rev. 8:1.
7. Key words for the Trumpets happening at the end of the millennium : Abyss, Gog and Magog 200 million army (Ez. 38), Angel of the Abyss (8th king) (Apollyon/Abaddon), the time to judge the dead and reward the saints and the prophets (white throne)

I would appreciate your thoughts & correction of this view.

God Bless.

Reply from Watchman Bob:

"eaglet," your timeline is quite confused, arbitrary and has no real Scriptural support.

It is clear that the events of the first six seals (Rev 6) parallel Yahushua's ("Jesus'") Olivet end-of-the-age prophecies (Mat 24, Mark 13, Luke 21) perfectly. And in His Olivet discourse, the Messiah gave His disciples the sequence of events leading up to His return to gather His elect.

He called the events of the first four seals the "beginning of sorrows" (Mat 24:4-8), the martyrdom of the fifth seal parallels the Great Tribulation (Mat 24:9-21) and the catastrophic events of the sixth seal announce the Day of the Lord and His return to gather His elect (the "Rapture") (Mat 24:27-31).

What most Bible prophecy expositors and teachers do not understand is that the "Great Tribulation," the "judgments of God" and the "wrath of the Lord," as referred to in the book of Revelation, are three distinct occurrences. The Great Tribulation (Mat 24:21; Rev 6:9; 7:14) consists of the wrath of Satan (Rev 12:17) being poured out on the "saints" through his incarnation, the "beast" ("Antichrist"), beginning at the midpoint of the Final Seven Years with the Abomination of Desolation (Mat 24:15; Rev 13:5, 7). The first six trumpet "judgments" of God begin after the sixth seal is broken (Rev 8:1) during the last half of the seven years (at the same time the Great Tribulation is occurring). Then, when the seventh trumpet sounds at the end of the seven years (Rev 11:15), the Great Tribulation is cut short (Mat 24:22) by the return of the Lord to gather His elect (Mat 24:29-31), then the "final plagues of the wrath of God (the bowls of wrath) are poured out on the unsaved earth-dwellers (Rev 15:1).

So, the sequence of "end-of-the-age" (Mat 24:3) events is really quite clear when we compare Scripture with Scripture in a common sense way, without our preconceived ideas messing up our understanding, isn't it?

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